Frank conversation with Shira Dicker and Jeannette Perutz Elsner on the topic of how survivors of calamity have unique reserves of resilience, wisdom and perspective during this time of unprecedented crisis and anxiety. The daughter of Holocaust survivors who spent her childhood in a variety of mental institutions owing to her father’s position as a residential doctor, Jeannette was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis in her adulthood. A lifetime of adversity has provided her with the "vaccine" for emotional survival during the COVID crisis. She shares her secrets and tips in this podcast.