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Ever feel like you're chasing your tail trying to get backlinks for your website? In this episode of SEO Kwentuhan, we sit down with Ms. Kris Escaño of Link Forge Digital, a seasoned link builder who's been there and done that. We'll cut through the noise and explore simple, effective ways to build high-quality backlinks.

Ms. Kris reveals simple yet effective strategies for acquiring high-quality backlinks. Gain insider tips for successful link building, regardless of your experience level. Discover how to leverage partnerships and influencer marketing to gain valuable links. We'll also discuss the truth about Black Hat techniques and the importance of avoiding them. Finally, we explore the exciting trends shaping the future of link building in 2025.

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We also have exciting news for the SEO Kwentuhan Community – Ms. Kris is set to launch a sale with an incredible 60% discount!

• Advanced course: Originally priced at $249, now just $99.
• Beginner course: Originally $149, now only $65.

Introducing "The Link Building Blueprint Course," which offers a comprehensive step-by-step guide on becoming a skilled link builder. You’ll learn all the essential processes, including how to integrate AI. This course will empower you to confidently manage your first campaign and excel in link building independently.

Pre-sale: The Link Building course will be available starting January 5, 2025.

Visit - https://linkforgedigital.com/ which primarily serves SAAS, Tech, and Affiliate Sites, but also extends its services to E-commerce and Home Improvement sectors.

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Transcript Summary

00:00 - 01:16

Gab: Hello and welcome to a new episode of SEO Kwentuhan, where we'll be discussing the lighter side of SEO. We have a special guest speaker today, Coach Gelo.

Gelo: Yes, and the topic our guest speaker has chosen is excellent. It's none other than Ms. Kris Escano. Can you introduce her, sir?

Gab: Ms. Kris and I have crossed paths at various conferences, but I believe you were the first to invite her to speak. She organized a conference in Baguio, I think it was the first-ever SEO conference held there.

Gab: That's where I got to know her better and learned about her expertise. Today's topic is perfectly timed: 'Link Building Simplified: How to Generate Quality Backlinks.' Welcome to the show, Ms. Kris!

Kris: Hi, thank you so much for having me. I'm excited.

01:17 - 03:48

Kris: Okay, sure. Hi everyone, I'm Kris. I'm a link builder specializing in off-page SEO, though I also work with on-page and technical SEO. Currently, I'm working for Hunter.io, and I also run a small link-building agency that we're expanding into a full-service digital PR agency. How did I get started in SEO? Well, way back in 2016, I was taking on writing gigs, and I didn't even realize I was doing SEO. My clients would ask me to write articles with specific keywords, and then they'd ask me to reach out to website owners via email to request links to our articles or to publish our articles on their sites. It took me about two years to realize that this was actually SEO.

Kris: After that, I started learning SEO part-time, working on affiliate sites. During the pandemic, when we couldn't go out much, I left my engineering job and transitioned to full-time SEO. I continued working at Hunter.io, where I learned a lot. Two years ago, I started outsourcing work, which eventually grew into my agency. Now, I create courses, speak at universities and conferences like WordCamp (part of WordPress), and hopefully, I'll be speaking at more SEO conferences in the future. Actually, I'll be speaking at a conference in Chiang Mai, Thailand, next November.

Gab: Oh, congratulations! You have a lot of speaking gigs. By the way, what type of engineering did you do? Civil engineering?

Gelo: Civil engineering? Nice.

Gab: That's interesting. I find it quite fascinating, Ms. Kris.

03:49 - 05:58

Gelo: Speaking of Hunter.io, we actually had a conversation about that sometime ago. I think it was with Antonio, wasn't it?

Kris: Yes, I believe it was. I think it was for Canva, right?

Gelo: Indeed. I was the one who connected with Antonio. It was a bit funny, actually. Link builders connecting.

Gab: We link builders always seem to interact, even if it's just through email.

Kris: We are actually quite receptive to these types of requests, especially from Canva. They often provide us with good case studies that we can use. Antonio is in charge of that now, as he focuses more on link building, while I concentrate on affiliate and review work.

Gab: The link builders at Hunter.io are truly skilled.

Kris: The link-building team is actually quite small. For the past two years, it's been just Antonio and me. We have smaller teams for repetitive tasks like prospecting and contact look-up, but for actual link building, it's just the two of us. Antonio is transitioning to affiliate and marketing, and I'm also transitioning in January. So, we've recently hired a new link builder for Hunter.

Gelo: Nice, expanding the in-house team. Anyway, thank you, Ms. Kris.

Gab: Your journey is truly inspiring. I didn't realize that what I was doing was SEO when I first started either.

Gelo: It turns out it was SEO all along.

Gab: It's amazing how we often stumble upon our passions and find ourselves pursuing them, even without initially realizing it. We just focus on the tasks at hand.

05:58 - 07:54

Gab: Going back to our topic, Ms. Kris, are there still easy ways to acquire backlinks, or does it always require creative approaches?

Kris: There are still some easier ways, depending on the type of backlinks you're looking for. At Hunter.io, we often encounter unlinked mentions. Many articles mention Hunter.io, but they don't include a link. There are still some easier ways, depending on the type of backlinks you're looking for. At Hunter.io, we often encounter unlinked mentions. Many articles mention Hunter.io, but they don't include a link. In these cases, I simply reach out to the website and request that they include a link to the relevant Hunter.io page. Of course, we reciprocate by linking to their site or offering them free credits. Another easy way is to build strong partnerships. If you need a backlink, simply reach out to your partners, and they're usually happy to provide one. It's a simple exchange. Other strategies require more time and effort, such as extensive outreach and prospecting.

Gelo: Outreach and prospecting can be quite time-consuming.

Gab: That's what I wanted to ask. If someone is new to the industry, like you were, are there any quick wins for them? Because outreach is primarily about building connections and networking. But what if someone is just starting out, maybe as a freelancer or a link builder for a company? Do you have any tips for them?

Gelo: Yes, what advice would you give to someone new to the field who wants to transition into freelancing or link building for a specific company?

08:00 - 10:18

Kris: Start with LinkedIn. Make sure your profile is well-optimized, showcasing your expertise. LinkedIn is a valuable resource for link building, but be aware of scammers and fake profiles. Ensure your profile is authentic and includes all the necessary details. Look at how industry leaders present themselves on LinkedIn and try to emulate their approach. Be as detailed as possible. For example, if I were searching for Canva employees, I would go to the Canva website and identify the most relevant individuals to contact regarding link building, such as those involved in outreach or SEO partnerships. When they receive your message, they'll be more likely to connect with you if your profile is well-presented. Once you've established connections, you can start building partnerships or even initiate simple link exchanges.

Kris: Remember to reciprocate any link exchanges. Many people fail to reciprocate, damaging their reputation. From the very beginning, establish yourself as a reliable partner within the industry to build trust. Once you have a strong reputation, future collaborations will be easier to secure. Whenever possible, use a business email address. Regular email addresses can be flagged as spam, and they don't convey the same level of trust. If you have a company email, use it. Also, join relevant Slack groups. This is one of the fastest ways to get backlinks. These groups often include representatives from companies that are actively looking for backlinks.

Kris: Sometimes, if you connect with the right people in these groups, you can secure backlinks within minutes. I encourage my beginner link builders to join these groups and build their profiles within these communities.

10:30 - 14:10

Gab: It seems like personal branding is more prevalent these days. Previously, the suggestion for link builders was to create a persona for their business, almost like a fake persona. Is that strategy still effective?

Kris: It still works, but it depends on the niche. For affiliates, it's still common because they don't always own the website. They create a persona, and it works as long as they build a complete profile for that person, including LinkedIn, social media, email, and photos that represent the persona. Avoid using just one photo; use multiple images. You can often purchase stock photos for this purpose. This method generally works well, unless the person is trying to be everything to everyone, which is rare.

Kris: You can often buy stock photos for those, and it is still working unless there is a certain person who tries to be everything to everyone, but it's rare.

Gab: I often see you posting on Facebook when you're looking for links. I'm curious about the metrics you consider to determine if a backlink is valuable.

Kris: First, I evaluate the website itself. Do they offer services or products? This indicates a legitimate website. If it's just a blog, I check the persona behind the blog. Is it a real person, or is it a fabricated persona? Is it a link farm? I also use Ahrefs to check the ratio of backlinks to referring domains. Ideally, the number of backlinks should be around 10% of the referring domains. If it's 50/50 or higher, it's likely a link farm.

Kris: I also check organic traffic, not just the overall volume, but also the traffic sources. If I'm targeting US traffic, at least 50% of their traffic should originate from the US. I also analyze traffic trends. Is traffic increasing, decreasing, or fluctuating? I pay close attention to upward trends. If there are dips, I investigate further. If Google is responsible for the dip, I might still consider the website if they are showing signs of recovery.

Kris: I also examine their articles. I prefer sites with evergreen content, ideally around 2000 words, but 1000-word articles are acceptable depending on the topic. I also check their topic focus. Do they cover a wide range of topics, or do they focus on a specific niche?

14:13 - 17:36

Kris: If the website covers a wide range of topics, I tend to avoid it because it's unlikely to be relevant to my needs. After checking these initial criteria, I analyze the topic. I use Google to search for my target keyword and see if it's mentioned on the website or if related keywords are used. If the keyword is mentioned, I check the page traffic, which is crucial these days for quality links. I typically aim for at least 10 page views, but this also depends on the publishing date. If an article was published a year ago and has no traffic, it's likely not a valuable site for me, so I skip it. This evaluation process is quite meticulous, but it's necessary if you're seeking high-quality backlinks.

Kris: If you really want a quality link, it requires careful analysis.

Kris: Meticulous analysis.

Gelo: That's a lot of valuable information. I particularly found the ratio of backlinks to referring domains insightful. For example, if a website has 500,000 backlinks but only 10,000 referring domains, it suggests an anomaly. They might have acquired many links through methods like site-wide links on web design company websites.

Gelo: There might be some irregularities.

Gab: That's a valid concern.

Gab:That could happen in situations like website design companies that include links on every page.

Gelo: That's exactly what might be happening. Ms. Kris mentioned many important points. However, I noticed that you don't seem to focus on Domain Rating (DR) or Domain Authority (DA), which are often emphasized in Google's own guidelines. Could you explain why you don't prioritize these metrics, Ms. Kris?

Kris: I do check them, but for me, DR is a vanity metric. Traffic is more important.

Kris: You can easily inflate your DR by acquiring many backlinks, even if those websites have no traffic. DR is not a top priority for me. I'd rather focus on websites with good growth and relevant traffic, even if their DR is only 30. The focus should be on relevance, not necessarily the DR or DA. Many new website owners prioritize DR and DA when evaluating backlinks.

Kris: Relevance is more important than DR or DA. Many new website owners prioritize DR and DA when evaluating backlinks.

Gelo: That makes sense. I have a client whose website has a DR of 0 or 6. I've been hesitant to acquire links for them because they primarily focus on local SEO in Australia. I've been focusing on foundational links. Your explanation clarifies why I haven't been as concerned about DR and DA. It seems to be less relevant in their case.

17:36 - 18:52

Kris: Some niches are very challenging to acquire links for. For example, websites selling things like Facebook likes, YouTube followers, etc. Those are difficult. Even I hesitate to link to those websites.

Kris: Crypto is also a challenging niche. It's difficult to acquire links because of the nature of the traffic. Canadian traffic also presents unique challenges. It's not just about the niche itself, but also the origin of the traffic. Niches like home improvement and SaaS are generally easier, especially for experienced link builders. However, for beginners, it can be challenging to acquire links in the SaaS space because they need to establish the reputation of the company they're representing.

Kris: According to those who are just starting out, it's difficult to acquire links in the SaaS space because you have to establish the reputation of the company that you're representing.

18:54 - 21:41

Gab: Since we've discussed the challenges, what do you consider to be the biggest challenge in the link-building process?

Kris: The most challenging aspect is negotiation. It's constantly evolving and unpredictable. For example, a colleague exchange might be initially agreed upon, but then suddenly canceled later. Sometimes, we agree on all terms for a guest post, and then they change their direction at the last minute.

Kris: They decide not to publish it. We've had instances where we provided links, but they never replied or returned the links.

Kris: So, the negotiation and securing the actual live links are the most challenging aspects.

Kris: We've never encountered that issue with paid links. With paid links, the link is usually provided before payment. We either receive the link before making the payment or we pay upfront and then they publish the link. For paid links, it's crucial to choose reputable sources. Avoid any shady or suspicious websites.

Kris: Avoid any shady or suspicious websites.

Gab: Okay, regarding the concerns raised about Black Hat techniques, are they still relevant in link building?

Kris: I think they still exist, but they are very risky. I strongly advise against using Black Hat techniques, especially if you're working in-house or trying to build a strong reputation.

Kris: If you’re trying to build a reputation. Black Hat techniques might work for a short time, but they're not sustainable. If Google detects them, your website could be penalized.

Gab: That's true. Speaking of which, Google recently released a link spam update in December. Many people involved in Black Hat link building were likely impacted.

Kris: Yes, that's correct. Usually, when their sites are penalized, they simply redirect to a new website. It's difficult to recover from a Google penalty.

Gab: You're right. But if you redirect to a new domain, does the negative impact from the previous website carry over? That's a whole other topic, I'm sure. But what's your opinion on this, Ms. Kris?

21:42 - 24:58

Kris: I haven't personally experienced that. However, I've seen this happen in industries like casinos, crypto, and gambling, and cannabis. In those industries, they can easily create new websites. They're primarily concerned with conversions, not necessarily long-term metrics. So, they're okay with creating new websites every two months or even every month.

Gab: Different domains or websites.

Kris: Because their primary focus is on conversions, not just metrics. They can generate significant income within a month after redirecting, even before Google detects the new site. So, I think it's a viable strategy for those specific industries.

Gab: Sometimes, they can generate significant income within a month after redirecting, even before Google detects the new site. So, I think it's a worthwhile strategy for those types of websites.

Kris: Yes, that's true.

Gab: Alright. I know you're excellent at building partnerships. How do you leverage partnerships with influencers or thought leaders to acquire quality links? Do you gain partnerships or backlinks through your speaking engagements?

Kris: Yes, partnerships, links, and clients.

Kris: When it comes to partnerships with influencers, it's more about mentions. For example, Julian Gold, a thought leader in link building, has YouTube episodes where he specifically mentions Hunter. These YouTube episodes are often accompanied by articles on his website that also mention and link to Hunter multiple times. This is one way we acquire links for free.

Kris: He is one of the thought leaders in link building. He has YouTube episodes where he specifically mentions Hunter. These YouTube episodes are often accompanied by articles on his website that also mention and link to Hunter multiple times. This is one way we acquire links for free. We also utilize influencers as affiliate partners. If they are actively blogging and reporting on their findings, we can make them affiliates. So, if they mention Hunter with their affiliate link in their reports, it's a win-win situation. They earn commissions for each sign-up through their link, and Hunter receives a link from their articles. We don't pay for these links, but we still gain publicity.

Kris: They mention Hunter with a link to their affiliate program in their reports. So, it's a win-win situation. They earn commissions for whoever signs up using their link, and also Hunter gets the link from those articles. We don't pay for these links, but in a way, we still gain publicity.

Kris: And when it comes to thought leaders, we simply give them credit and shout them out on our social media pages. This also benefits us, not necessarily in terms of direct backlinks from their social media pages, but in terms of conversions. It helps increase our visibility.

Kris) We simply give them credit and shout them out on our social media pages. This also benefits us, not necessarily in terms of direct backlinks from their social media pages, but in terms of conversions. It helps increase our visibility.

Gab: I believe that building strong partnerships is one of the most crucial skills for any link builder. These partnerships go beyond just acquiring links. They can lead to valuable client relationships. Speaking of Julian Gold, he's one of the SEO experts I follow closely. He's always introducing new strategies, particularly those involving AI. He previously focused heavily on link building.

24:58 - 29:42

Gab: ...He's always introducing new strategies, particularly those involving AI. He previously focused heavily on link building. So, it's true. Building genuine partnerships is essential. I first met you through a link-building connection. You introduced me to someone you were mentoring in SEO. That's the kind of partnership we need to cultivate within the industry. It's not just about acquiring links; it's about fostering genuine connections.

Gelo: Absolutely. Once you establish these partnerships and networks, it creates a valuable ecosystem. When you need something from a specific person, you know you can reach out to them. They're already aware of your work and are more likely to assist you. As Ms. Kris mentioned earlier, building a strong LinkedIn profile is crucial. This serves as your professional social media presence. Attend seminars and conferences to network and build relationships. These events provide opportunities to connect with potential partners. You can easily ask for their contact information or request a link exchange. LinkedIn is a valuable tool for this purpose.

Gelo:...This serves as your professional social media presence. Attend seminars and conferences to network and build relationships. These events provide opportunities to connect with potential partners. You can easily ask for their contact information or request a link exchange. LinkedIn is a valuable tool for this purpose. I'm still learning a lot about this, so I appreciate Ms. Kris sharing her insights. Thank you, Ms. Kris."

Gab: I agree. Building strong partnerships is crucial. That's how I met you. You were involved in an SEO training program, and you introduced me to you at that time. That's the kind of partnership we need to cultivate within the industry. It's not just about acquiring links; it's about building genuine connections within our industry.

Gab:...That's the kind of partnership we need to cultivate within the industry. It's not just about acquiring links; it's about building genuine connections within our industry. Speaking of which, do you have any tips for building long-term relationships? Not just with website owners, but with people in the industry?

Kris: Absolutely. The first thing I always emphasize to my team is reliability. Don't just focus on acquiring links; reciprocate the favor. If you promise something, deliver on it. Don't request links and then fail to reciprocate. I personally treat most people on Facebook as connections, but I'm more selective on Instagram. Many people message me on Facebook, and if their message is genuine, I usually reply and try to build a connection. I'm happy to assist them if I can. But I expect them to reciprocate. Another important tip is to avoid overpromising. Don't promise a link immediately if you can't deliver on that timeline. It's better to provide a realistic timeframe, such as four business days. If you can deliver the link sooner, it builds trust. If you encounter delays, explain the situation to your partner.

Kris: It’s more open. I have many partners on Facebook. They frequently message me, and I usually reply. If their request is reasonable, I'm happy to assist them. But I always expect them to reciprocate. Another tip is to avoid overpromising. Don't promise a link immediately if you can't deliver on that timeline. It's better to provide a realistic timeframe, such as four business days. If you can deliver the link sooner, it builds trust. If you encounter delays, explain the situation to your partner."

Kris: Just give them a realistic timeframe. Instead of saying the link will be live today, give them four business days. This builds trust. If you deliver the link sooner than expected, it further strengthens the relationship. Another tip is to focus on building the Filipino community. There are many talented Filipino link builders. We just need more opportunities. If you receive messages from fellow Filipinos, prioritize them. If you want to build strong relationships, join communities like Coach Angel's community and SEO tutorials. You'll encounter many link builders, both seasoned professionals and beginners. Join relevant Slack groups, optimize your LinkedIn profile, and post on LinkedIn or your preferred platform. We're starting to utilize social media more, but LinkedIn remains the most effective platform. Another key aspect is to diversify your outreach methods. Don't rely solely on email outreach. Explore other avenues for connecting with potential partners. I find Facebook to be more personal. You can get to know people better on Facebook. LinkedIn is also a good option, but email can often feel like cold outreach.

Kris: Explore other avenues for connecting with potential partners. I find Facebook to be more personal. You can get to know people better on Facebook. LinkedIn is also a good option, but email can often feel like cold outreach. That's my perspective.

Gelo: I agree. Email can sometimes land in spam folders. I learned this the hard way. If you haven't established a rapport with someone, avoid using email immediately. I had an instance where I was penalized by Google.

29:42 - 30:32

Gelo: Shares an experience where he sent 300 emails to agencies for an A/B test. This resulted in his email being flagged by Google as spam. He mentions that automation tools can help overcome challenges with emails landing in the spam folder.

Gelo: Continues, emphasizing the importance of A/B testing subject lines. He acknowledges that his approach was not ideal and resulted in a Google penalty. He mentions using automation tools for follow-up emails to improve outreach effectiveness.

Kris: 300 is a lot.

Gelo: Yes, it was a large volume. I didn't diversify the subject lines enough. It was a hit-or-miss approach, which ultimately triggered the Google penalty. I was using Gmail, so it's likely that contributed to the issue. Anyway, yes, sir, Gab.

30:33 - 33:34

Gab: Ms. Kris, what are the emerging trends in link building that we should anticipate in 2025? This is something I'm particularly interested in.

Gab: Trends.

Kris: First and foremost, the increased use of AI. Many people are apprehensive about AI, fearing job displacement. However, AI will play a significant role in 2025. Many new software and tools are being developed that utilize AI. I recommend embracing AI and mastering its use to enhance your link-building skills. AI can be invaluable for prospecting, identifying link placement opportunities, and crafting effective outreach emails and replies. Explore free tools like ChatGPT, and consider investing in paid AI tools if possible. Learn how to effectively integrate AI into your workflow.

Kris: I recommend exploring free tools like ChatGPT and consider investing in paid AI tools if possible. Learn how to effectively integrate AI into your workflow. For example, use AI to generate email copy, reply to messages, and identify link placement opportunities. Another trend is a shift away from heavy reliance on email outreach. Email outreach is becoming increasingly congested. Many people are now turning to LinkedIn for outreach. I believe LinkedIn will become even more prominent in the coming year.

Kris: Digital PR will also be a game-changer. It has gained popularity in the past and is now experiencing a resurgence. Many companies, even large ones, are shifting towards digital PR for link building. Another niche to explore is e-commerce.

Gab: Hey, that's a lot of valuable insights.

Gab: Link building for 2025. For our listeners who are new to link building, what are your tips for making it less intimidating? I believe it's easier to start with link building as your initial SEO task, but I think it depends on individual skills. What's your perspective on the best approach for beginners to make link building less daunting?

Gab: Less intimidating.

33:35 - 35:57

Kris: One way to make link building less intimidating is to gain a foundational understanding of SEO. You don't need to become an expert, but familiarize yourself with on-page SEO and technical SEO. Learn the basic terminology and how these concepts work. You don't need prior experience in these areas if your primary focus is link building.

Kris: ...Just learn the basic terminology and how these concepts work. You don't need prior experience in these areas if your primary focus is link building. And when it comes to link building itself, start with the basics. Before diving into advanced or trendy strategies, grasp the fundamentals. Learn how to identify a good website versus a bad one and understand the metrics that Google considers important.

Kris: I also recommend internships. Learning through experience is invaluable. Consider an internship or start your own website to practice your skills. When starting as a link builder, don't expect a high salary initially. Look for opportunities with agencies or smaller companies that can provide you with on-the-job training and allow you to experiment with different strategies. You'll be fortunate to find a client who allows you to experiment and make mistakes. Mistakes are inevitable when you're starting out. Don't be too hard on yourself if you make mistakes. It's natural to make errors when you're learning something new. Don't let the pressure to avoid mistakes hinder your progress. Focus on growth and continuous learning. Start with the basics of link building. Begin with prospecting, then move on to identifying the best contacts, crafting effective outreach emails and LinkedIn messages. Take it one step at a time, don't try to do everything at once.

35:58 - 40:17

Gab: That's excellent advice, especially the part about understanding the fundamentals before diving into link building. I know someone who has been working in link building for five or seven years, but they still don't fully grasp the underlying concepts. They only understood the practical aspects of their role after joining an agency. It's crucial to have a solid foundation in SEO before specializing in link building. It's like trying to drink water without knowing if it's hot or cold. You need to understand the basics first.

Gab:...It's crucial to have a solid foundation in SEO before specializing in link building. It's like trying to drink water without knowing if it's hot or cold. You need to understand the basics first. I think it's better to have a general overview of SEO before focusing on a specific area like link building.

Gelo: That's a great analogy, Coach Gab. By understanding the basics, you can determine your preferred path, whether it's link building or technical SEO. Having a general overview helps you make informed decisions. And I think one of the best ways to demystify link building for beginners is through courses like yours, Ms. Kris.

Kris: For the SEO Kwantohan community, I'm offering a special sale on my course. It will be 60% off! Merry Christmas everyone.

37:44 - 41:22

Kris: Announces the discounted pricing for her "Link Building Blueprint Course." The advanced course will be $99 (originally $249), and the beginner course will be $65 (originally $149). She explains that the course provides a step-by-step guide to becoming a successful link builder, starting with foundational concepts like on-page and technical SEO and progressing to advanced link-building strategies, including prospecting, contact identification, outreach creation, and AI integration. Kris confidently states that completing the course will equip students to conduct their first outreach campaign and implement their own link-building strategies independently.

Kris: Reiterates the comprehensive nature of the course, emphasizing its focus on practical application. She highlights that while many link-building courses offer general information, her course provides specific, actionable steps. She expresses confidence that students who diligently complete the course will be able to independently execute their own link-building campaigns.

Kris: Concludes by stating that the course will equip students with the necessary knowledge and skills to conduct their first outreach campaign and implement their own link-building strategies independently.

Gab: Recommends Ms. Kris' course to listeners interested in upskilling in link building or considering offering link-building services. He then inquires whether Ms. Kris has any other promotions or would like to mention her agency or website.

Kris: Provides details about her agency, LinkForge Digital, which specializes in SaaS, tech, and affiliate sites, with recent expansion into e-commerce and home improvement. 

Kris: Further emphasizes that the course is currently in the pre-launch phase and will officially launch on January 5th. She encourages interested listeners to take advantage of the upcoming launch and the discounted pricing.

Kris: Reiterates the launch date of the course (January 5th) and encourages listeners to take advantage of the opportunity to learn link building effectively.

Kris: Okay, thank you.

Gab: Thank you.

Kris: Thank you so much. Look forward to this podcast. Alright.

Gelo: Alright, so be sure to follow us on SEO Kwentuhan for new episodes. We hope this session has provided you with valuable insights on how to approach link building in 2025. Sir Gab?

Gab: I'm excited for the upcoming year. We have many exciting topics planned.

Gab: We'll be featuring new guests and exploring various SEO topics. Stay tuned for more episodes.

Gelo: More content to come. Okay, okay. So, that's it. Bye-bye.

Gab: Bye-bye.