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This episode of Counterspeak features and interview with deputy general counsel for The New York Times, David E. McCraw. Counterspeak is a free speech podcast hosted by Sydney Jarrard, ABA's Content Director; Dave Grogan, ABA's Director of ABFE, Advocacy and Public Policy; and Maria Peroni, ABA's Advocacy and Public Policy Coordinator. The views expressed in this podcast are not necessarily that of the American Booksellers Association or the American Booksellers for Free Expression.