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0:00 Episode starts  0:43 Personal check-ins start 2:19 Jes talks about her birthday and loving the process of getting older and her son deciding to go to Florida Atlantic 6:10 Rob talks about enrolling his son in preschool and how all of his kids will be in school 9:16 Osha Gray Davidson joins the conversation 10:15 Rob introduces Osha 11:45 Rob asks about Osha and what inspired him to tell the story in Best of Enemies 12:46 Osha talks about a big motivation for telling the story of Ann and CP was how little he knew about race 16:21 Jes asks what characteristics about both Ann and CP he admires 16:39 Osha talks about Ann’s resilience, her increased capacity to fight, and her core principles of progress 19:13 Osha talks about CP’s capacity to change 21:45 Rob introduces a theme of the season of “fusion friendships” 21:58 Rob asks how we apply lessons from Ann and CP’s relationship and how to form similar relationships 22:50 Osha answers that we need to hold fast to principles while not dehumanizing people and also recognizing that everyone has capacity to change 26:01 Osha talks about an experience where he saw a glimpse of being dehumanized as a Jew in the Midwest 29:22 Jes asks why he chose to frame the story with such an emphasis on Durham 29:45 Osha talks about how their relationship couldn’t and wouldn't have been possible if it wasn’t for the circumstances in Durham 32:53 Rob asks about the quote “race and class as the siamese twins of the south” and asks Osha to unpack that concept and how he saw that place out 50 years ago and now 34:05 Osha talks about learning how class-based solutions won’t solve race-based problems 38:35 Interlude 42:21 Jes asks about the American Project and his why 45:01 Osha talks about a shift in mindset for needing  to address solutions, specifically when it came to reparations 47:26 Osha talks about Patrick Henry encouraging the end of slavery 54:36 Rob asks about a show-up moment 54:48 Osha encourages white people to educate themselves then align themselves with movement for justice 59:17 Osah signs off the conversation 59:50 Jes talks about change, Ann being an agent of change and CP recognizing his ability to change 1:01:48 Rob shares his reflection about Ann’s towering presence, how she never compromised truth and loved at the same time 1:04:19 Conversation ends 1:04:22 Outro Thank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show! Follow DJ Pdogg online: http://www.djpdogg.com/ (www.djpdogg.com) https://twitter.com/DJPdogg?s=20 (Twitter) https://www.instagram.com/djpdogg/ (Instagram) Follow Producer Lo Key https://www.instagram.com/producerlokey/ (Instagram) Our sponsors: https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (ReCity Network) https://www.coastal24.com/ (Coastal Credit Union) Our hosts: Jes Averhart, cofounder of https://bwshomecoming.com/ (Black Wallstreet Homecoming) Rob Shields, executive director of the https://www.recitynetwork.org/ (Recity Network.) Our Producer: Ben Azevedo, owner of https://www.bearcaveaudio.com/ (Bear Cave Audio) Our Editor Chris Pappalardo