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In this episode, we explain how the Pentagon gets coercion wrong, what hip-hop tells us about deterrence, and why it all matters. Our history segment recalls Operation Rolling Thunder, the failed bombing campaign of North Vietnam. And in an interview with Matt Fuhrmann (Stanford University, Texas A&M University), we discuss his new co-authored book (with Todd Sescher), Nuclear Weapons and Coercive Diplomacy, and how unhelpful nuclear weapons are for coercion. Music: Carl Ranson Vorpahl Producer: Tre Hester