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In this episode of E-coffee with Experts, Pat Ahern, SEO Strategist at Intergrowth, explains how founders and marketers can adapt their strategy for a world where visibility depends on more than Google rankings. We break down how SEO, Meta Ads, attribution tracking, and “Search Everywhere Optimization” work together to create predictable customer acquisition.
You’ll learn why most agencies struggle to scale without positioning clarity, how ecommerce brands should sequence Meta Ads and SEO investments, and what actually helps brands get cited inside LLM tools like ChatGPT.
Pat also shares a practical framework for building analytics confidence using GA4, Shopify, and attribution platforms like Triple Whale, plus why every company should consider publishing an llm.txt positioning document today.
If you’re a founder, marketer, or agency leader trying to grow traffic, improve ROAS, or future-proof your organic visibility strategy, this episode gives you a roadmap for 2026 and beyond.
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In this episode, we discuss:
00:00 - 01:05: Building a brand after AI search changes
01:05 - 03:10: Why knowing your audience matters first
03:10 - 05:40: Why agencies must choose a niche
05:40 - 08:20: SEO vs Meta Ads for early growth
08:20 - 10:55: When SEO is the wrong investment
10:55 - 13:20: How Meta Ads support long-term SEO
13:20 - 16:05: Fix tracking before scaling ads
16:05 - 18:40: Finding your real ROAS numbers
18:40 - 21:05: How to improve ad performance fast
21:05 - 23:30: Campaign budget optimization explained simply
23:30 - 26:10: Testing ad creatives the smart way
26:10 - 28:20: SEO in the AI search era
28:20 - 31:00: What Search Everywhere Optimization means
31:00 - 33:25: Why brand mentions matter more now
33:25 - 36:15: Using an llm.txt positioning strategy
36:15 - 38:40: Getting clear about who you serve
38:40 - 41:20: Best growth channels for the next year
41:20 - 44:10: Tools marketers should use today
44:10 - 47:05: Creating content without wasting time
47:05 - 49:10: Turning experience into short videos
49:10 - 50:55: Why founder content builds trust faster
50:55 - 52:41: Final advice for marketers and founders
Connect with Pat Ahern
https://www.linkedin.com/in/pahern/
http://intergrowth.com/
Article Pat mentioned in the show: https://www.wearedeviation.co.uk/insights/search-everywhere-optimisation#
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