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Adam and Davita are joined by the wonderful author Kate Hall. Kate is currently working on a dystopian novel around xenotransplantation. She provides a powerful critique of the practice of using animal-to-human transplants. She also introduces us to her protagonist Mouse by reading a few vivid excerpts from her novel in progress. Kate's published novel Kate Hazel Hall - From Darkness: https://www.katehazelhall.com/books Kate's recommendations for animal focused books: Laura Jean McKay - The Animals in That Country Eva Hornung - Dog Boy Karen Joy Fowler - We're All Completely Besides Ourselves Merlinda Bobis - Locust Girl Danielle Celermajer - Summertime Links Kangaroo tendons for human knees and ankles: https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2018/08/14/can-skippy-disrupt-the-orthopaedic-ligament-market-.html Radio interview ABC Illawara by Lindsay McDougall: https://www.allegraorthopaedics.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Lindsay-McDougall-of-ABC-Radio-Illawarra-with-David-Chuter-CEO-and-Managing-Director-at-Innovative-Manufacturing-CRC.mp3 Music Played Pink Floyd 'On the Turning Away' https://open.spotify.com/album/4xODvcpjOOgu4oKWL0sCte Emily Wurramara 'Yimenda-Papaguneray (The Turtle Song)' https://emilywurramara.bandcamp.com/album/milyakburra