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The difficulty of learning object relations theory, frustrates you and makes you feel like a bad therapist, however, if you listen to this episode it is an opportunity to get more comfortable with the theory and it’s clinical applications.You see what I did there? I used James Masterson’s intervention strategy (pain, self, defense) to encourage self activation.That’s right, it’s time for the core element of psychoanalytic theory from an American object relations perspective with a focus on James Masterson and disorders of the self. If that sounds like a mouthful, then you are in the right place because this 5th episode of the Human Nurture Podcast, Season 1- PACT in Theory, features lots of questions and knowledgeable guestsWe are joined by Loray Daws, PhD., who does a great job of making this challenging material relatable and accessible. Loray achieves this by striking a balance between theoretical descriptions and providing clinical and developmental examples. The episode starts off with an interview Stan Tatkin (the founder of PACT) who walks us through how object relations theory fits into PACT, his own experience learning and practicing the theory and he helps me get clear on the similarities and differences between object relations and attachment theories.What attracts so many of us to PACT is that it provides us with the skills and the conceptual understanding necessary to work with the most challenging of couples and in this episode, Loray and Stan describe a way of thinking and working that allows for the safety and containment necessary for this to take place.Time-----00:00:00 - 00:02:38 -Jason Introduction0:02:38-0:42:14 - Jason and Stan0:42:14-2:17:59 - Jason and Loray Daws Resources----Contemporary Psychotherapy-- Grandiosity and Perfection-- The Masterson Approach to Narcissistic Disorders of the Self--  Loray Dawshttp://www.contemporarypsychotherapy.org/volume-3-no-2-winter-2011/grandiosity-and-perfection/Contemporary Psychotherapy--Living between rewarding and withdrawing paradigms of experience -- The Mastersonian approach to the Borderline disorder of self -- Loray Dawshttp://www.contemporarypsychotherapy.org/volume-4-no-2-winter-2012/living-between-rewarding-and-withdrawing-paradigms-of-experience/?fbclid=IwAR1J3QbYSGIdA9dhzMMUgn4q4FzIlxDPh8otS3Nb0KsY6ualviodxhfOfBoContemporary Psychotherapy-- Is there anybody out there? -- The Mastersonian Approach to the Schizoid Dilemma--  Loray Dawshttp://www.contemporarypsychotherapy.org/volume-5-no-1-spring-2013/is-there-anybody-out-there/?fbclid=IwAR3Gt5BvX64X_6tCLyNgyKoECWtvxXQdyFgF9DGNM88d-iPAjgrZJljP40wTherapist's Guide to the Personality Disorders - Zeig Tucker- https://www.zeigtucker.com/product/therapists-guide-to-the-personality-disorders/