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Pat Lordan is a Detective Chief Superintendent with An Garda Siochana and a part of the Garda National Economic Crime Bureau Financial Intelligence Unit. Bobby recently heard him speak at an event about the way white-collar crime operates in Ireland and the kinds of issues facing hundreds of people and their businesses. Pat joined Bobby to discuss the issues at play and talk about how we can better combat the ploys utilised by these criminals. Listen and subscribe to Down to Business with Bobby Kerr on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Download, listen and subscribe on the Newstalk App. You can also listen to Newstalk live on newstalk.com or on Alexa, by adding the Newstalk skill and asking: 'Alexa, play Newstalk'.