These are challenging times for politically engaged members of the clergy. Ana Marie Cox, host of the "With Friends Like These" podcast, leads a discussion with three civically engaged spiritual leaders in Texas: • Andrew Doyle, Episcopal Bishop of Texas • Mara Nathan, Senior Rabbi at Temple Beth-El in San Antonio• Bruce Nieli, St. Austin Church in Austin.Their conversation was recorded live on September 28, 2018, during the Texas Tribune Festival in Austin, Texas.