We recorded this on the field, and the sound is not the best. Apologies for that. Bear with us. If you can wait 2 minutes into the episode, it gets better.Based on Mark's "Climbing the Red Teaming Ladder", the Levels of Red Teaming are a very clear way forward.Books mentioned by Mark:Drift into Failure: From Hunting Broken Components to Understanding Complex Systems, by Sidney DekkerApollo, Challenger, and Columbia: The Decline of the Space Program (A Study in Organizational Communication), by Phillip K. TompkinsBooks mentioned by UriTeam of Teams: New Rules of Engagement for a Complex World, by General Stanley McChrystalThe Mission, The Men, and Me: Lessons from a Former Delta Force Commander, by Peter BlaberExtreme Ownership: How U.S. Navy SEALs Lead and Win, by Jocko Willink and Leif Babin