We chat with Shalom Agalaba and Jonathan Edwards about America's history with race and policing. Recorded months ago, but finally got it out.

Lofty Darwinism

A Conversation About Race

Darwin Carlisle and Matt Loftin are former speech and debate teammates from Amarillo, Texas. For the next 10 years after High School they pursued very different careers, with Loftin heading to the East Coast in Washington, DC to go into politics, while Carlisle headed west to Los Angeles to go into film. They join back up here to discuss the unparalleled challenges their generation has faced, and to find a way to converse in our polarized political climate.