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“The relationship is a third body.” - Connor Beaton This week we're talking about couples with a couple. Vienna Pharaon and Connor Beaton have both been guests on the podcast before, but that was well before they got engaged! Now they are an official pair and they work together and separately as therapists. Vienna is a couples' therapist and Connor works predominantly with men doing a lot of shadow work. We chat about co-creating as a couple, what they’ve created together and what that has looked like, and how a couple working together can create safety for each other. Listen in to today's episode as Vienna Pharaon and Connor Beaton explain what makes a healthy relationship, how to deal with codependency, and how to navigate conflict. You can Subscribe and Listen to the Podcast on Apple Podcasts. And please leave me a Rating and Review! “When we’re in conflict, there’s an opportunity to learn something new about the self and the other.” - Vienna Pharaon Some things we learn in this podcast: When did Connor and Vienna first work together [11:40] How can couples work together [13:30] How do you balance a relationship and a work relationship [15:00] How does codependency hold people back [28:10] What is individuation [28:30] What makes a healthy relationship [32:00] How to deal with codependency [35:00] What is the difference between codependency and sovereignty [39:00] How to navigate conflict [52:35] What is fawning [55:40] What is conflict alchemy [1:06:20] Links Mentioned: Listen to ONKEN radio Episode 128: Vienna Pharaon – Unpacking Your Inner World for Better Relationships Listen to ONKEN radio Episode 129: Connor Beaton – How Personal Growth Catalyzes Your Creativity Onken Hat Connect with Vienna and Connor on Twitter | Vienna on Instagram | Connor on Instagram | New York Couples Counseling