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We talk about therapy, stories we tell, the effects of quarantine, how to have a conversation about race, how to build trust and what statues should be torn down. This was a a great conversation and our longest podcast yet. Roy White is a therapist, father, a friend and my guest on this episode of the Pilgrim Podcast. 0:00 Intro 3:20 What is Psychotherapy? 8:20 Roy's therapy practice 11:11 The role of story 22:11 Coronavirus quarantine 31:02 How are people handling the pandemic? 40:25 How do we have a conversation about race? 50:39 The fear of talking about race. 58:25 Are you hopeful? 1:05:35 Risk and Respect 1:12:13 Are our father's sins too great? 1:17:15 Tearing down statues 1:26:06 How to smoke a brisket